From Hell To Veins

November 19, 2009

Ukraine And The Latest Internet Chatter

First of all, I’ll go against the grain and tell you the ‘Ukraine Plague or Virus’ (a never ending debate) most likely will NOT be the end all be all of plagues. However, IT ONLY WILL APPEAR TO BE. CALM DOWN!!!

The talk of underground bases mixed into this mess does have validity. ONLY IN THIS CONTEXT. I am still sticking to the situation put forth at the Manmade Pandemic Symposium I attended that even with underground ‘safe havens’ the individuals involved in this operation CAN NOT A AFFORD A PANDEMIC WILD FIRE. I will NEVER stop repeating that, because even with underground safe havens that the federal government admits are for biological attacks these individuals WILL STILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE PANDEMIC once they come back out. That is if this / these pandemics get out of THEIR control. Unlike many on the net I am highly skeptical the people running this pandemic operation have a 100% guaranteed ‘magic potion’ to block these bugs. The ONLY guarantee they have is to implement a WORLD WIDE VACCINE PROGRAM to run the ‘REAL’ population extermination phase of the operation as THEY stated. That people, YOU’D BEST BETTER FEAR. This is the true purpose of the release of these pandemic bugs which I’m betting have a limited shelf life. TRUE NUMBERS are what is precisely being monitored in the Ukraine, most probably under NATO control. Even with the reported deaths in the Ukraine I am VERY skeptical of the number of the deaths themselves AND the massive reports of people infected. WHY? Because, I have every reason NOT to trust this info by what has happened right here in the U.S. with the so-called H1N1 pandemic where there was nothing but fudging and lying over deaths and the number of people infected. You really think ANYTHING HAS CHANGED? Those behind this operation don’t need THEIR MSM to generate fear, the internet is already doing a fantastic job and once the MSM joins in it will be 2012 type hysteria which is precsely what THEY want from the public.

Why the Ukraine?
The Ukraine was chosen for this phase of the operation for the very same reasons it was chosen to run the ‘failed’ Georgia / Russia invasion that was being run out of the Ukraine. NATO is set up in the Ukraine to monitor this operation and I can assure you THEY really know what is going on. Once they are certain how this ‘pandemic’ runs from beginning to end, it will be launched world wide, FOR THE VERY REASON THEY WILL BE ABLE TO CONTROL IT (MAYBE?), using it to usher in the U.N. mandate that forces EVERYONE into a medical tyranny forced vaccine / chipping program that will APPEAR to be the savior of the planet. The U.S. health care reform bill NOT PASSED YET facilitates this operation. This is ALSO why your nightly news hasn’t covered the Ukraine situation. The U.S. technically isn’t ready for that phase of this operation until the health care bill is passed. The U.S. is the ONLY country where the government CAN NOT BY LAW medically facilitate such a population reduction operation at THIS TIME. When the U.S. health care reform bill is in place the public will be bound by law to be plugged into all the infrastructure already set up to carry out the ‘FINAL’ phase of this operation.

However, stating the above, I will acknowledge the insane idea of releasing bioweapons into the population runs the risk they very well MAY take on a life of their own and get out of the control of the very people releasing them.

November 3, 2009

Has Baxter Released A BioWeapon In Ukraine? Post Marked For U.S. Delivery?

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My take…
If Baxter has indeed produced another ‘accident’ my question is… Could this be a ‘race specific’ bioweapon? The kind of weapons Dick Cheney and other such notable figures on BOTH the right and left talked about? If so, by testing such a ‘race specific’ bioweapon in the Ukraine it’s purpose would definitely target a Caucasian population. Is this a beta test for a lethal vaccine ‘ear marked’ for the U.S.?

Has Baxter Released A
BioWeapon In Ukraine?

By David Rothscum


Evidence appears to suggest that Baxter International may be responsible for a new deadly outbreak of viral pneumonia in Ukraine.

( In February of 2009, Bloomberg reported that Baxter “accidentally” sent vaccine material containing both live Avian bird flu and seasonal influenza to multiple laboratories worldwide. A laboratory decided to test the vaccine on its ferrets and the ferrets all unexpectedly died.


It must be noted that Baxter has made a “mistake” like this before. ( Blood products produced by Baxter once containd HIV. Thousands of haemophiliacs died due to this, and many went on to infect their spouses.

Later in the year, a bizarre story emerged on the internet. The news was full of reports on ( a man named Joseph Moshe who was arrested after a hours long standoff with the police because he had supposedly made threats against the White House. The man was able to withstand multiple rounds of tear gas…which left L.A. police officers amazed.

However, the internet community was very skeptical of the true reasons behind the man’s arrest. Comments on the Huffington Post website immediately began pouring in about an unreported side to this story, namely that Joseph Moshe was a Mossad Agent who specialized in biological warfare and who called into a radio show to warn people about a biological weapn that was being made by Baxter international that would be spread through vaccine and would cause a plague upon its release.

Although anyone can make a doomsday claim and we should never believe anyone (and it must be said that the Truth movement handled this well, the message was spread without being proclaimed as gospel) the amazing part about Moshe’s claim was the location where Moshe said the biological weapon was being produced.

Moshe claimed that Baxter’s laboratory in the Ukraine out of all places was creating this biological weapon. All of this came out in the beginning of August, which is more than 2 months before the situation that is currently unfolding. For Moshe to correctly name the country where a new epidemic would be unleashed, requires either inside information, or an incredible coincidence as anyone with a basic knowledge of statistics can confirm for himself.

Let us assume for a moment that every person on our planet has an equal chance of giving rise to a new lethal epidemic due to a virus that mutates as it spreads through his body. (

( Ukraine has 46 million inhabitants. ( The current estimated global population is about 6.7 billion. This means that if a new epidemic were to arise, the chance of this epidemic starting in the Ukraine would be 0.69%. ( However, it appears that this virus is a form of flu. This makes the odds of being right when guessing that a deadly flu is going to break out in the Ukraine even smaller. The reason for this is that back in early August the vast majority of influenza infections were found in different countries than the Ukraine. (,
ukraine-confirms-first-swine-flu-death-quarantine-ordered.html) In fact, on 30 Oktober, Earthtimes reported that Ukraine had officially reported only two cases of swine flu, and no deaths, until last Friday. This deadly epidemic appears to have arrived out of nowhere in the Ukraine.

( Moshe’s biomed profile appears to confirm his position as a microbiologist. Furthermore, this page with Baxter’s contact information for its Ukraine office confirms that Baxter has a presence in the Ukraine.

( It must also be noted that massive numbers of microbiologists have been dying bizarre deaths. This case of what appears to be a brave man who sacrificed it all to bring us this message may explain why so many microbiologists have been murdered. The fact that this man managed to predict an outbreak of highly lethal influenza in a place where we would least expect it, 2 months before it a actually occured, lends credence to his claim that Baxter International is responsible for the outbreak and shows that top microbiologists can pose a problem to the people responsible for this ongoing disaster.

This is a developing story, expect to see possible updates on David Rothscum Reports as more information on what is happening in Ukraine becomes available.

Update 1: For the purpose of keeping information from disappearing, I am going to mirror most information I can find on here.

Comments on the Huffington post website on an article about Moshe’s arrest documenting his claim that the Influenza virus in a vaccine manufactured by Baxter in Ukraine replicates RNA from the 1918 flu and is meant as a bioweapon:


Update 2: ( The Ukrainian government wants to impose travel restrictions on people across the nation to stop the virus from spreading.

Update 3: According to the Huffington post comments I cited above, Dr. Moshe claimed that the virus used replicated RNA of the 1918 Spanish flu. (
20phil%201918.htm) Symptoms of the 1919 Flu include victims being drenched in blood:

American were familiar with the flu; it sent you to bed, made you miserable for 3 or 4 days with fever, muscle aches, and congestion, then left you shaky for about a week. It made millions sick, yet killed only the oldest, youngest, and most feeble.

The 1918 influenza was not the flu Americans were familiar with. It was a horror that turned victims bluish-black then drowned them with their own body fluids. the death toll was highest in the ages 15 to 40, those in the peak of health. The victims would be fine one minute and the next incapacitated, fever-racked, and delirious. Temperatures rose to 104-106 degrees, skin turned blue, purple, or deep brown from lack of oxygen. Massive pneumonia attacked the lungs, filling them with fluid; blood gushed from the nose. Death was quick, savage, and terrifying.

( Compare this to reports that are coming out from Ukraine:

Five persons have died from the flue in Lviv, four men and one woman, says emergency hospital chief doctor Myron Borysevych.

Two of the dead patients were in the 22-35 age group, with 2 others over 60. He diagnosed the disease as viral pneumonia.

Viral tests can last from one to two weeks. They are complicated and not done in Lviv. The course of the disease was very quick. The symptoms included very high temperature and short-wind cough.

All the six dead young people had symptoms of severe hemmorhagic pneumonia. The disease starts slowly, with temperature rising to 37.2 37.3 degrees, slight cough and pain in joints. Nasal catarrh developed at the end of the second or third day. Autopsy revealed that the lungs were soaked with blood, the oblast chief specialist said.

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